Sunday, September 27, 2009

Green Goo........What do you think?


Read and post comments by the evening ( 11 pm of Tuesday 29 September ). Be ready to comment in class on Wednesday 30 September.

Use the link to see pictures of this foul smelling goo....it is quite interesting.

http://news.aol.com/article/smelly-glue-green-algae-kills-dogs/689236?icid=main%7Cmain%7Cdl1%7Clink1%7Chttp%253A%252F%252Fnews.aol.com%252Farticle%252Fsmelly-glue-green-algae-kills-dogs%252F689236

Smelly Algae Kills Dogs, Sickens People
WAUSAU, Wis. (Sept. 27) — Waterways across the upper Midwest are increasingly plagued with ugly, smelly and potentially deadly blue-green algae, bloomed by drought and fertilizer runoffs from farm fields, that’s killed dozens of dogs and sickened many people. Aquatic biologists say it’s a problem that falls somewhere between a human health concern and a nuisance, but will eventually lead to more human poisoning. State officials are telling people who live on algae covered lakes to close their windows, stop taking walks along the picturesque shorelines
and keep their dogs from drinking the rank water. Peggy McAloon, 62, lives on Wisconsin’s
Tainter Lake and calls the algae blooms the “cockroach on the water.” “It is like living in the sewer for three weeks. You gag. You cannot go outside,” she said. “We have pictures of squirrels that are dead underneath the scum and fish that are dead. ... It has gotten out of control because
of the nutrient loads we as humans are adding to the waters.”
Blue-green algae are common in waters but not every lake develops serious problems
until plentiful “man-induced” nutrients like phosphorous arrive, said Jim Vennie, a Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources expert. The toxins released by the algae can be deadly. Symptoms include rash, hives, runny nose, irritated eyes and throat irritation. No people have died in the U.S. from the algae’s toxins, according to Wayne Carmichael, a retired aquatic biologist and toxicology professor in Oregon.
Many, however, have gotten sick: “Sooner or later, we are going to have more acute
human poisoning,” Carmichael said. The scum has killed dozens of dogs over the years — including at least four in Oregon, three in Wisconsin and one in Minnesota this summer. Wisconsin wildlife experts are warning duck hunters with dogs to be extra cautious this fall. “If the water is pea-soup green, be sure to have clean water along to wash the dog off,” Vennie said.
“Don’t let it drink the water.” Fewer than 100 lakes in Wisconsin typically have some problems with algae bloom each summer and the ones in western Wisconsin causing so much discomfort this year are being fueled by a perfect storm, Vennie said. The last month has seen little
rain, warm, sunshiny days and little wind. The blooms just sit there, growing, then decaying and smelling.
“Some people say they have gotten nauseous and vomited from smelling it,” said Ken Schreiber, a Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources water quality specialist. Officials have banned recreational activities at some lakes in Washington state because of blooms. And in Oregon, the bluegreen algae is the number one water quality issue, Carmichael said. Yet other countries have worse problems, Carmichael said, because many have waters with even more nutrients than exist in U.S. lakes. In France, a horse died on a beach in July after falling into some decaying algae sludge. Last year, the Chinese government brought in the army to remove the slimy growths so the Olympic sailing competition could be held. Stephanie Marquis, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Department of Health Services, said her agency had received 41 complaints related to health concerns with blue-green algae so far this season. Rashes, sore
throats and eye irritation among the problems, she said.
In Minnesota, Matt Lindon is a pollution control specialist for the state and he called 2009 a typical year for complaints about algae scums. But for some reason this summer, Bagley Lake in northwest Minnesota, an “historically clean lake,” generated respiratory and odor problems, he said. “It may be related to the water level or some new runoff source,” he said. Loren Hake, 71, has lived about two blocks from a Lake Menomin in western Wisconsin since 1963. He feels like a prisoner in his own home, isolated by a stench “something like a pig pen” that forces he and his wife to run the air conditioner although it’s not that hot because they can’t leave the windows open, he said. For the first time, the couple hasn’t set on an outside deck because of the smell
from the algae-covered bay. “I don’t know what they can do about it,” Hake said. There’s little anybody can do besides wait for cooler temperatures, Vennie said. John Plaza, president of the Chetek Lakes Protection Association, which represents six lakes in northwest Wisconsin, said
farm runoff, lawn fertilizers, septic systems and even ashes from leaves being burned on the shorelines are among factors contributing to the algae problems. “I have been a user of these lakes since 1962,” he said. “I have never experienced anything like this before. It’s nasty. People
are saying we can’t live with this any more."

41 comments:

  1. I read the article, but I don't understand what you want us to comment about....

    I mean if you want us to comment about our reaction than I think it sucks that popeple have to become shut ins because of the algae. I think that when it gets that bad, especially because of the fact that its humans contributing to the problem, maybe some stuff can be done to stpo it.... like stop burning stuff on the shorelines and using lawn fertilizers.

    I mean I feel bad for the people living near these locations because they can't go outside, or even leave their windows open, but it's there fault.

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  2. Again this goes back with what we talked today in class, people are not going to do anything for the environment if it requires them to do extra work or if requires them to spent more money. For example farmers they are too busy growing their crops and trying to seld them for a profit than worrying about not polluting lakes.
    usually we as humans dont care about the environment unless we can make money out of it or if its hurting ourselves or someone in our family

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  3. I have no clue what to comment on i think this is a very interesting article and i do feel sorry for the familys. I do agree with Angelica the people of America don't really care about the environment so they are not going to invest in the time or money to have this problem solved or fixed. So it looks like to me that the people of that state are going to suffer unless the American people start caring about our plant; but i do not see that happening anytime soon.
    but once again i have no clue on what to write.

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  5. Matt, I really just wanted a gut reaction like you gave.....you are sad for them, but oh well....wasn't it something they caused? Sounds they are reaping what they sowed? But.....what about little kids that can't play outside etc?

    Usually, If I post something like this...just comment on your first reaction ....

    Angelica and Jonte - again you posted great! do not underestimate yourselves....go with your initial feelings..

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  6. I think they caused the algae but didnt mean too. People have got to where they dont care about anything until it effects them. We dont know how many animals has died before they discovered the smell. They could still uliminate most of the possibilities of the animals dying by puting up blockades and do tests on the lake to at least find aome relief from the smell. The people that live near by needs to be evacuated before a new disease is brought about due to the contaiminating smell and decay following from the lake in to the town. People see this but yet they dont take action and before we know it we will be rotting in our on wastes with no where to go. Instead of scienist finding ways to leave on another plant why cant we just clean up this plant and stay here? If we take so much pride like we say we do in America then why cant we stand up and help her during her time of need? If we fight for freedom and to keep the US safe, then shouldn't we fight to keep her clean and healthy?

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  7. I think that is a very valid point , Shelby. They caused it but didn't understand what they were causing.....how do we react to people in that situation?

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  8. Does anyone think it's kind of gross that the olympic sailing teams had to sail in the algae infected water? If China can clean up the lake before the big event, why don't the other states do the same if it can be gotten rid of?

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  9. Mrs. B. I understand what you are saying and thats why I am sad for them, because the little kids arent able to go outside and play, they are forced to stay secluded in the vicinity of their own homes.

    I do agree with Angelica when she said it ties back to what we were discussing in class today. These people are not going to go out of their way to try to clean up the mess they are making. And Jonte' was right in saying that, because it is true. Many people do not want to take the initiative to clean up what they started, and it is taking effect now. This algae incident is the perfect example.

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  10. I definitely agree with matt. Its ridiculous that this generation of man is so selfish not to care for the future environment...but we are ALL guilty...

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  11. oh, and ms.b i never got a response from my rough draft

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  12. ok Chrissy.....I will resend second period...thanks for the heads up!

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  13. Wow,
    I feel bad for the families and animals that live near or on these lakes where this algae is present. It would be hard like you said Mrs.B, especially for children who wanted to play outside and had to be shut in and for people that may enjoy the outdoors or like to play recreational outdoor activities, etc. I can imagine the smell of the hot, rotting algae would be revolting and yet another negative effect from this algae growth. So, in conclusion, I feel bad and I would never want to be in that position but I also don't feel as much sympathy as others may because in a way, whether they meant to or not, the people caused this with the waste and the different chemicals they were putting into the water and if we people as a whole could think a little less about other less important things or ways we can benefit and a little more about the enviroment, then we could have a safer, better world as a whole and we wouldn't have to worry about the outcome of foolish actions.

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  14. this is really disgusting. I can't believe that people would let something get this bad. They may not have meant to cause it but they kept doing what they had done even after it was brought to their attention.

    I do not really feel bad for them except for the little kids that cannot go outside to play because they suffer from not being able to be normal kids that go crazy on a playground or ride a bike or anything. also, I feel bad for dogs because they cannot do anything about the situation but yet they are the ones dying from the crap in the water.

    This is ridiculous. People should know better.

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  15. Wow, all this algae growing in these lakes & stuff sounds disgusting! Especially if it's causing people that live near it to not be able to come out of their own homes & enjoy their home surroundings. I feel sorry for them, but then again it is themselves that are causing this problem so they aren't so helpless. If they just took care of the different things that cause this algea then thye would be ok and not have to worry about this. This is very serious, because it is killing animals and poisioning people and as the biologist and people were saying that it could get worse over time and possibly be more harmful to people. Even though it will take extra time out of people's schedules to help out with this problem, in the end it will be a good thing for them! They need to stop this so animals can live longer and people won't get sick and can go outside :)

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  16. lol............you all are so hard hearted! not really.....it seems the general consensus is that there is not a lot of sympathy for people who are reaping the " fruit" of their own stupidity? Is that right?

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  17. I agree with you guys, the people living in there where the ones that caused it. They are now worry because they are suffering the consequences of their actions. They have to start doing something to clean up the lake instead of complaining about it. They want other people to come and help them solve the problem they created.

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  18. thats right Mrs.B! lol if the people are stupid enough to pollute the water by using fertilizers and stuff for ther crops, which they should have realized it would eventually end up in the water, they should have to deal with the consequences. besides if the smell is really that bad that its killing animals and making people sick then the brigghtest idea would be to move. so yea, im showin no sympathy for those people.

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  19. I love your comment Angelica.....they want others to clean up after them.....

    Colleen - should they be required to clean up even if they move? Who would want to buy their homes....I think they should still be on the clean up hook...what do you think?

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  20. i think they should definetly still be on the clean up hook. If u mess it up u clean it up...or thats what ive always been taught. I wonder how much the value of their homes has gone down because of this. But that algae looks aweful haha. 8^)

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  21. well i think this article is just more proof of how selfish we are. i completely agree with chrissy on this one. and angelica has a good point also. these people are doing so much complaining and there not doing anything to help and that makes me very angry. because of their stupidity, many animals are dieing and theres no telling how many there is to come! they dont deserve to suffer for our mistakes! so in my mind i think these people deserve it, they did it to themselves. now when they actually start doing something about it then i MIGHT have a little sympathy for them.

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  22. ah look at that...nature doing its own thing with what we give it...
    isnt that what you guys wanted?-or if that happened here would you want to inject some things into the water to get rid of it?

    sucks for them yes, just get some SARS masks or something. looks like they just need to learn from their mistakes and not do it again, cause there is nothing to do now. They will get over it.

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  23. oh and i dont think its a selfish thing- it just sounds like people didnt know that well. I mean, i didnt know about this algea stuff so why are these guys supposed to know? and its caused by "man-induced 'nutrients'"...nutrients doesnt sound bad to me, so i wouldnt think anything of it, and its not like everyone has phosphorous on them and are like "lets throw this in"; its a collective total, so all it takes is a little from each person.

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  24. I feel bad for the people who cannot go outside due to the algea infested, stinky, illness causing water. Since the algea was caused by the pollution of the people living near the water (even when they didn't mean to), they should have a community project to try to clean up the water. They should bring in a specialist who could help them and tell how they should go about cleaning up the goo. But they should do the work themselves. If they want to be able to enjoy the outdoors ever again they need to start cleaning up the mess that they themselves created.

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  25. The algae situation is definitely out of control in Wisconsin. It's a sad situation, having farm and field runoff cause so much inconvenience. Residents are paying for their mistakes by being confined to their homes. I think help should be brought into the community, similar to when the Chinese government prepared for the Olympics. If something can be done to clean the water, the residents of Tainter Lake should participate.

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  26. You all have valid arguments. I really like the idea of community involvement. However, would you get the same rhetoric about not being the one to cause it etc, so not it's my problem? I think that you are all saying in a roundabout way that even though all of the people weren't the cause, there is no sympathy unless they are all willing to be part of the solution. Did I get that right?
    How about our president who flew to Copenhagen ( 9 hours ) to speak for the Chicago Olympics in something like 2016 and then back ( 9 hours ) and took his wife....could that money have gone to clean up such as Caitlin suggested?

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  27. I definitely agree with Gabby and Caitlin that aid needs to be brought to these people because they are over their heads, and it is beyond their skill level to get rid of the algae. I don't think all of these communities should have to suffer because a few people polluted the water. Also, fertilizer runoff isn't a direct form of pollution, so it's not like these people are consciously polluting the water. But it also isn't plausible that farmers can quit using fertilizers because if they can't grow crops they won't have any money, which goes back to the fact that if people don't have food or money or shelter they don't have time to worry about the environment. I also don't think these people's cry for help is selfish because since when is asking for a basic right of life such as breathable air selfish? In my book that is a necessity. I also have extreme sympathy for these people, partly because I don't buy in to this negative view of man that many of you subscribe to, for example here is a quote from Angelica, "people are not going to do anything for the environment if it requires them to do extra work or if requires them to spent more money." I think this example shows striking misanthropy, and I think we as a society should show more mercy to people and be less cold-hearted, even if problems are there fault. Likewise, if we took the approach towards life that people should suffer for their mistakes all by themselves, then since we caused global warming, should we not just suffer the consequences because we triggered it? I don't think so :).

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  28. I agree with Caitlin on the situation being absolutely out of control. If it has gotten to the point of carrying around extra water when you walk your dog, something needs to done, fast. I think those who are responsible for th e damage have the responsibility of cleaning it up. If they put it off, then future generations will only do the same, and so on.

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  29. yeah thats just pretty disgusting...
    and i feel really bad for that horse that died because of the nasty slime! :(

    it's pretty ridiculous that people don't even want to go out on their porch anymore because of the smell. someone should do something whether it be an extensive clean up or better solution because its hurting everyone in the environment..

    those poor little fishies :(

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  30. I was raised not to hurt the enviornment since my dad is Lincoln county's EPA man. I think that the slime that they craeated was a discrace(probably not spelt right) and the animals that died by their actions should still be alive

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  31. like we were discussing in class about what knox said, most of us cannot help the way we are raised, but as an adult, is the way we were raised an excuse when we have the power to change our ways as an adult?

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  32. I definatley think this situation is out of control and it does suck that the people cannot go out of their house to smell fresh air. But Mrs. B is right they are "reeping what they sow" people cannot expect to have us clean up after them like our parents did when we were younger. I remember i went to Wrightsville beach one year in the winter and usually it's a very clean beach, but after some piping busted in the ocean all the fish floated to the top and the stench was horrible. Yes it was an accident, but how did the pipe get so close to the waters? There are tons of important creatures in the ocean and they shouldnt be exposed to toxic waste. People ARE LAZY. AMERICA is LAZY. This is causing our world to suffer. People dump their waste, it pollutes the water, the water stinks or kills their dogs, people complain, they still pollute though. Maybe it isnt into the source but our society is very hypocritical when it comes to pollution. They pollute the world everyday and complain when it affects them.

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  33. sorry it took so long to post mrs. b

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  34. everybody gets one " gimme" mulligan and this is yours..ok? just let me know ahead of time next time...... :)

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  35. sorry i havent had axcess to the computer much but i think it stinks that people have to be shut in like that. also though you have to think that they did it to their selfs they dont complain when their doing it but they complain when things happen like this. i think its ridiculous because like we said in class some are taught not to leave trash behind but we have to think most hasn't been taught that way they think that someone else will pick it up behind them. you have to also think that the people that are picking up behind others are going to get tired of it soon.


    p.s. sorry mrs. B

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  36. I think that the town did it to themselves. The pollution was man-made from that town, and eventually you reap what you sow, and this is what they planted, killer algae that prevents them from going outside.

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  37. Hey guys you should all try and bring some money to donate to unisef it goes to poor south american children who are much less fortunate than we are. We can all do our part be it a penny or 10$ every little bit helps.

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  38. posting for initial grade is closed....good job APES

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  39. Eh this algae is disgusting! I loathe the people that let it get to that point. I am however, sorry for them. I believe that they didn't know what their carelessness would cause. But that doesn't grant them amnesty. They are responsible for cleaning it up, for they created the vile substance that now pollutes their lake and homes! Just because you were once unaware of the effects that pollution could cause..doesn't mean you aren't responsible for undoing your wrongs!

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